Should we be worried? (8 Mar, 2017)

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Should we be worried? (8 Mar, 2017)

Postby aardvark_admin » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:03 am

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Are you concerned by the apparent revelations that the CIA and NSA can pwn almost any device you have and then use it to spy on your movements, conversations and data?

Given that if an NZ citizen was to engage in such activities against another NZer, should US agents be also held accountable when they violate our laws by infecting our devices with malware?

If not, why not?
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Re: Should we be worried? (8 Mar, 2017)

Postby Logan Savage » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:28 am

Very very worried.

It reminds me of Larry Norman's The great American Novel.

I was born and raised an orphan in a land that once was free
In a land that poured its love out on the moon;
And I grew up in the shadows of your silos filled with grain,
But you never helped to fill my empty spoon.

And when I was ten you murdered law with courtroom politics,
And you learned to make a lie sound just like truth;
But I know you better now and I don't fall for all your tricks,
And you've lost the one advantage of my youth.

You kill a black man at midnight just for talking to your daughter,
Then you make his wife your mistress and you leave her without water;
And the sheet you wear upon your face is the sheet your children sleep on,
At every meal you say a prayer; you don't believe but still you keep on.

And your money says "in God we trust",
But it's against the law to pray in school;
You say "we beat the Russians to the moon",
And I say you starved your children to do it.

You are far across the ocean but the war is not your own,
And while you're winning theirs, you're gonna lose the one at home;
Do you really think the only way to bring about the peace
Is to sacrifice your children and kill all your enemies?

The politicians all make speeches while the news men all take note,
And they exaggerate the issues as they shove them down our throats;
Is it really up to them whether this country sinks or floats?
Well I wonder who would lead us if none of us would vote.

Well my phone is tapped and my lips are chapped from whispering through the fence,
You know every move I make, or is that just coincidence?
Well you try to make my way of life a little less like jail,
If I promise to make tapes and slides and send them through the mail.

And your money says "in God we trust",
But it's against the law to pray in school;
You say "we beat the Russians to the moon",
And I say you starved your children to do it.
You say "all men are equal, all men are brothers",
Then why are the rich more equal than others?
Don't ask me for the answer, I've only got one:
That a man leaves his darkness when he follows the Son
"Capitalism has defeated communism. It is now well on its way to defeating democracy"
(David C. Korten, When Corporations Rule the World)
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Re: Should we be worried? (8 Mar, 2017)

Postby par_annoyed » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:55 am

Nice poem....

I recommend the doco "Zero Day" about stuxnet. It's interesting not just for the tech. , but also the issues raised about how the US (and Israel) were the first to launch an offensive cyberweapon against Iran, what happened to make it widespread, and how it will probably bite them in the arse in the long term. It's scary to think how vulnerable are those many utilities and everyday services we take for granted, and how easy it is (relatively) to cause things to explode, misbehave, fail, and so on.

As IT projects I worked on quite often included a security angle (although not the same as modern web issues), it's very much same old-same old to me, but then I'm already well into paranoid thinking about all the cameras, microphones, even cars, and the kind of capabilities you can attack and subvert.

The average Joe, especially the younger ones, don't even seem to realise what privacy is, or why it's valuable, and they happily share every minute detail of their lives.
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Re: Should we be worried? (8 Mar, 2017)

Postby Perry » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:35 am

Anyone wanna a buy an analogue phone?

An analogue TV?

Do I hear an advance on $250?

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Re: Should we be worried? (8 Mar, 2017)

Postby Grumpy » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:43 pm

Perry wrote:Anyone wanna a buy an analogue phone?
:twisted:


As a junior Technician in one of New Zealand's largest telephone exchanges in the early 1950's I could tell a story or two regarding the tapping of 'analogue' phones (usually 'legal'); and as an Engineer in later years I was aware that cases of 'private' tapping of analogue phones were numerous.
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Re: Should we be worried? (8 Mar, 2017)

Postby Perry » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:50 pm

OK. Cancel the phone and let's go with the TV. ;)
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Re: Should we be worried? (8 Mar, 2017)

Postby aardvark_admin » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:01 pm

Grumpy wrote:
Perry wrote:Anyone wanna a buy an analogue phone?
:twisted:


As a junior Technician in one of New Zealand's largest telephone exchanges in the early 1950's I could tell a story or two regarding the tapping of 'analogue' phones (usually 'legal'); and as an Engineer in later years I was aware that cases of 'private' tapping of analogue phones were numerous.

Yeah, wandering around the exchange with a "but" and plugging it in at random to various selectors was a good pastime when things were quiet. Even made you look as if you were busy :-)
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Re: Should we be worried? (8 Mar, 2017)

Postby aardvark_admin » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:02 pm

Perry wrote:Anyone wanna a buy an analogue phone?

Yeah... and people laugh at me when I get my $9 dumb-phone out of my pocket :twisted:
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Re: Should we be worried? (8 Mar, 2017)

Postby Weasel » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:30 pm

aardvark_admin wrote:
Grumpy wrote:
Perry wrote:Anyone wanna a buy an analogue phone?
:twisted:


As a junior Technician in one of New Zealand's largest telephone exchanges in the early 1950's I could tell a story or two regarding the tapping of 'analogue' phones (usually 'legal'); and as an Engineer in later years I was aware that cases of 'private' tapping of analogue phones were numerous.

Yeah, wandering around the exchange with a "but" and plugging it in at random to various selectors was a good pastime when things were quiet. Even made you look as if you were busy :-)


I remember a school trip in the late 80s to a telephone exchange, it was still electromechanical (I think thats the correct term), there 5 people running it, and they were soon to be downsized to 2 when the exchange was upgraded to computerised/solid state. At one point the tech switched on a box and clicked around through several in progress phone calls..
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Re: Should we be worried? (8 Mar, 2017)

Postby phill » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:35 pm

According to what's been released, your phone, your computer and even your TV set could be spying on what you're doing right now.

How does that make you feel?


... vindicated ... im not paranoid .. and the only thing i hide is the desire to see bullshit billy sanctioned with extreme prejudice .. luckily no one knows that so i have nothing to hide .. therefor nothing to worry about


With this in mind, are we entering an era where we're about to see a mutually assured destruction threat coming from smart devices?


fumiest bit about that is its the one where they are all afraid of their enemies telling their own people just how bad they really are ( mutually assured political destruction )


If US agents snuck into NZ and assassinated a Kiwi for political reasons, would they be given immunity by our authorities?


no way .. its just someone would have died of natural causes prematurely


What if US agents snuck into NZers computers and spied on them or planted malware?


ummm where do you get the ¨ WHAT IF " delusion from ???
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