When we are redundant (15 Mar, 2017)

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When we are redundant (15 Mar, 2017)

Postby aardvark_admin » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:18 am

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We're well on the way to a highly automated world, especially in the realm of transport.

With machines taking over jobs at all levels, surely it's time we paid a great deal of attention to the redesigning of society so that we don't end up with a small number of "haves" who hold all the wealth and power, and a large group of "have-nots" who have been disenfranchised and impoverished by this automation.

Sadly, I see no sign of any planning to account for the changes that automation will bring.

Are we idiots for not realising the massive social upheaval that we're headed for?

Or would those who have the power and wealth simply prefer that the rest of the world were unaware of the looming disaster until it's too late to do anything about it?

What are your predictions for the future -- when jobs ranging from airline pilots to street-sweepers have all been automated and even the maintenance of the systems that perform these tasks is done by automated systems.
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Re: When we are redundant (15 Mar, 2017)

Postby hagfish » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:06 am

I think we can expect any repetitive job (or its repetitive elements) to be automated in the next few years. This isn't necessarily just menial jobs. Hospitals and rest homes will still need human staff, until each-and-every element of their jobs are automated. There are lots of repetitive white-collar jobs like accountancy and law which could be replaced by a bit of software and a Raspberry Pi.

The Luddites smashing the cotton gins were facing a similar existential threat. We've had these cognitive surpluses before, and found ways to soak up the extra time/labour (alcohol, TV). Lots of people are very 'busy' and 'productive' in their day-job, but don't actually grow any food, make any clothes, or rescue any cats from trees. It may be that the idea of 'getting a job' has had its day, and some kind of 'gigging' economy will replace the 9-5.

Corporations can treat people as an externality, but governments cannot - much as they would like to. TrumpCare will be an example of that. One way or another, our government's job is to ensure that we are provided for. The more they think they are 'businesses' and we are 'consumers', the less relevant/useful they become.
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Re: When we are redundant (15 Mar, 2017)

Postby phill » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:31 am

the government has a tell for their ability to plan for the future ( thats our wondrous fabularty in the behind err hive )
they have gone as far as to solve the superannuation problem from 10 years ago ... in 23 years ... and its all going to be effected by advances in mechanical labour and intelligence
so
either we have truly inciteful pollies who are able to look at advances > 20 years hence in fluid fast moving fields and target them with to an accuracy previously undreamed of
orrrrr ( wait for it )
we have the most stupid incompetent short sighted dick whacking bunch of fukwits ever to be assembled outside a stupid incompetent short sighted dick whacking fukwits convention .. which prior to our wallytown lot could never muster more than a telephone box full of attendees

please find me a bookie .. i have a cast iron guaranteed payoff 50/50 bet to make
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Re: When we are redundant (15 Mar, 2017)

Postby goosemoose » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:32 am

And just where are all those automated cars going to take us? To our jobs? The ones that have been automated? To the shops to spend money we don't have?
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Re: When we are redundant (15 Mar, 2017)

Postby phill » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:42 am

to the beach .. where we dont have to give a shit
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Re: When we are redundant (15 Mar, 2017)

Postby Logan Savage » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:47 am

aardvark_admin wrote:Could the real enemy of full automation be the civil unrest that would grow from effectively creating armies of poor and unemployed?
As hagfish says, it wouldn't be the first time. the 19th century was a time of great social upheaval as skilled at-home workers found themselves replaced by cheaper unskilled factory serfs. Mass unemployment and fluctuations in food prices due to poor harvests during the Little Ice Age and Government stuff ups (removal of income tax and introduction of food tariffs) didn't help either and triggered all sorts of riots and discontent. Lord Byron said that the conditions of the English working class were worse than in any other country he had seen. Hmm, unemployment, weather disrupted food production, Government in the pocket of rich landowners, yep we could be in for interesting times...
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Re: When we are redundant (15 Mar, 2017)

Postby phill » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:01 pm

those were the days when a service musket could barely hit a man at 75 meters
even a cheap one can hit at 1 k now

they cant hide from us anymore
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Re: When we are redundant (15 Mar, 2017)

Postby Weasel » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:10 am

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Re: When we are redundant (15 Mar, 2017)

Postby RoddyAxn » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:26 am

Key, "tackled natural disasters" as a government.

Will we see an upset in New Zealand politics?

Yes we can
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Re: When we are redundant (15 Mar, 2017)

Postby phill » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:28 am

Weasel wrote:Maybe not as bad as you think..

https://qz.com/904285/the-optimists-gui ... pocalypse/


a couple of things i would like clarification / further research on

does it hold true for a world that has already exploited all the available populations

does it hold true for a world that has finite resources
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