It's happening already (4 Aug, 2017)

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It's happening already (4 Aug, 2017)

Postby aardvark_admin » Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:34 am

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Who would have thought that even basic work such as building houses, bridges and high-rise office bocks would be automated so soon?

Robots are already being used for all these tasks and it looks as if builders and construction workers may soon be a vanishing breed.

So what is government doing to prepare for this dramatically reduced demand for such workers?

Well right now it seems that they're doing nothing and none of the parties running in this year's election even seem to have this huge problem on their radar. Why not?
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Re: It's happening already (4 Aug, 2017)

Postby Hiro Protagonist » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:21 am

aardvark_admin wrote:So what is government doing to prepare for this dramatically reduced demand for such workers?

Well right now it seems that they're doing nothing and none of the parties running in this year's election even seem to have this huge problem on their radar. Why not?


What is the Govt doing? SFA.

You're talking about a govt that is mad keen on maintaining immigration because that translates as "economic growth"[1], while at the same time turning a blind eye to the completely forseeable issues of building infrastructure and homes to cope with the consequent population increase.

If they're blind to stuff that is happening Right Now, what do you think are the chances they'll start thinking about the future.

This is what is making it hard for me to see anyone worth voting for in the coming election. What I'd like to see is someone with VISION, and a plan to deal with not only the stuff that is going wrong now, but stuff that is quite clearly coming over the horizon. Heck, used to be I'd criticise pollies for being reactive instead of visionary, the current mob can't even react to stuff that is happening right now.

[1] What sort of a halfwit do you have to be to think that "economic growth is good" in such an unqualified manner, that you think because growing the population increases economic activity, you can then pat yourself on the back for maintaining economic growth - anyone with more that 3 braincells can see that you're not making anyone better off.
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Re: It's happening already (4 Aug, 2017)

Postby phill » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:34 am

have we reached the pinnacle for the throw away society
the disposable house
the zero mile house ( local mud and materials ) would be greener than the present
letting it decay to replacement point rather than constant maintenance to extend its life
may also be more environmentally efficient as well .... strange as it may seem

it also brings up the less human hours required so who gets the wealth problem
which to me
has only one answer

why would anyone have or want money to be used anymore ... its just no longer needed
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Re: It's happening already (4 Aug, 2017)

Postby phord » Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:30 am

I think the NZ economy is too small for robots to take over the work force.
Robots that do anything useful are prohibitively expensive and are only utilised by huge companies.
The businesses here are just too small to warrant taking on robots.
Also NZ has a very cheap labour market.
The Indians & other immigrants are willing to work very long hours for very low pay.

If the gummit had any real concern for the housing shortage, they could use these Chinese construction robots to help address the shortage of skilled construction labour.
But they won't, because they need to protect the value of their inflated property portfolios.
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Re: It's happening already (4 Aug, 2017)

Postby Screw » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:59 pm

High rise Office bocks?

Edifices are already almost pre-built. Rooves are pre-made in sections and transported to the site, framing is all pre-made in factories and transported also. External joinery is made in a shop and taken to the job. Chippies are almost assembly line workers now anyway. Plumbers install pre-made kitchens and bathrooms, Sparkies connect pre-wired sections and so on. Robots will surely follow.
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Re: It's happening already (4 Aug, 2017)

Postby hagfish » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:01 pm

phord wrote:Robots that do anything useful are prohibitively expensive

..but 'robots' that do *one thing* superbly can be fairly cheap. Automated/expert systems can be great at picking up repetitive tasks, and reproducing them exactly. With radiography, for example, I can't see a professional ever being replaced by a robot that will welcome injured people to the unit, prop their injured limb for photography, and reassure them as the images are prepared. I can see expert systems doing the analysis of the resulting slides, and making recommendations based on what they 'see'.

A 'typical' admin or carer job might involve exposure to dozens of different processes, so designing a single robot to do all that would be very tricky. Designing 50 different systems that each excel in one repetitive process is well within the bounds of possibility. There's still a role for people, but if you really enjoy some particular soothing, repetitive task, you may be in for some disappointment.
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Re: It's happening already (4 Aug, 2017)

Postby Muscular Jam » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:19 pm

aardvark_admin wrote:and none of the parties running in this year's election even seem to have this huge problem on their radar. Why not?
Actually The Opportunities Party want to start phasing in a UBI which seems the logical solution to the issue http://www.top.org.nz/top7
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Re: It's happening already (4 Aug, 2017)

Postby phill » Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:06 pm

hagfish wrote: I can't see a professional ever being replaced by a robot that will welcome injured people to the unit, prop their injured limb for photography, and reassure them as the images are prepared. .

gurney bot
at pickup .. senses exited nerves and compensates position to alleviate
runs full scans and diagnostics while it plays soothing music and subliminal suggestions as it monitors and medicates pain and anxiety .. while on the move
coordinates triage with main ai to adjust transport speed so all is ready just as it arrives at logical fix point 1 ( if required )
then through the ( automated ) hospital system

so no it wont replace the radiography greetings attendant
it will be attendant, orderly, nurse, transport, medicator, monitor, companion, friend, adviser. and confidant from doorstep back to doorstep for as long as it takes patient jsc367447a ( charee ) to recover or be delivered to morgue


contrary to modern medical practice its not actually a physical requirement to wait 5 hours in a waiting room when one goes through the doors into a hospital emergency department
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Re: It's happening already (4 Aug, 2017)

Postby hellonearthis » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:45 pm

Imagine if the cost of building a high-rise building was slashed by 50% or more as a result of robotisation. What would that do to the value of existing structures like this? I


Was there meant to be a link to 'this'?
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Re: It's happening already (4 Aug, 2017)

Postby paulw » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:04 pm

Just wait until an AI knocks at parliaments door and tell the politicians that they are there to replace them, then you will see some action.
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