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If you had just left university... (26 Oct, 2017)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:54 am
by aardvark_admin
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I know that self-employment isn't for everyone -- but if you were leaving university with an EE degree in your hand today, would you opt for the safe but boring security of a menial role in a large corporation -- or would you take advantage of all the benefits that the internet now offers to set out in your own boat and realise your dreams?

Has the Net really made it easier to be an entrepreneur in 2017 compared to 1972?

What was your own career path and what would you change if you were doing it all over again as a fresh-faced young individual who'd just finished your education?

Re: If you had just left university... (26 Oct, 2017)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:21 am
by Hiro Protagonist
For every 'large corporation" with a jump-through-the-hoops / ministry-of-silly-walks interview style, there are many, many small to medium players with a more human recruiting style. I'd suggest to anyone starting out that instead of looking to be a tiny fish in a very large pond, they get a few years of experience at a smaller company before looking further afield.

Re: If you had just left university... (26 Oct, 2017)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:46 am
by Stevesub
Look for the smaller companies, much more human and easy to work for without the BS of larger companies, the bigger they are, the more BS. That is my own experience over my career which is about over now thanks to being paid to do nothing by the government.

My advice to youngies before going to Varsity as a right of passage, look very carefully at some of the trades, eg Plumber, Sparky, etc. I think that the world is there for them to to do very very well IF they want to.

Re: If you had just left university... (26 Oct, 2017)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:59 am
by GSVNoFixedAbode
The other reason for joining a medium (better than large) corporation is that tertiary education is good, but a few years as journeyman is required before you branch out on your own to get an understanding of the Real World (TM) and the huge difference between theory and reality. That's where I've seen Kickstarter failures: people with great ideas but no real world experience of how things really work.

Re: If you had just left university... (26 Oct, 2017)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:02 am
by aardvark_admin
Did Bill Gates have a job before he started Microsoft? :->

Re: If you had just left university... (26 Oct, 2017)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:27 am
by phill
aardvark_admin wrote:Did Bill Gates have a job before he started Microsoft? :->


con man i think ...

i worked in aussie for quite awhile so came across quite a few large corporation type positions to apply for
i agree with you it does seem the larger the staff the less likely the person who interviews you will know about what you are being hired to do
right down to the personnel managers that only know about employing people
and
how to weed out any potential 'toxic workers' which seems to be their main purpose .. avoid anyone that might look in a different direction
yet the positions i enjoyed working in .. and hence did better
would have qualified as highly toxic work places
they were very innovative people and came up with many ' worlds first / best '
a lot of them would have never been able to run a company employing other people

Re: If you had just left university... (26 Oct, 2017)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:00 pm
by GoGijoe
Start with a smaller firm, they tend to have better exposure to a wider range of projects than being stuck in a single large corp working on and supporting the same project for years.

Personally id do you tube on the side, not your main job but some where to try out and document new things you are trying out and gives you a chance to come back later and do some critical analysis of what you where thinking prior to starting a project. not every ones cut out to be a public speaker it it dosnt come naturally to every one.

if you make money from it great, most people wont how ever.


the little bit of analysis I have done on a few you tube channels is the more specialist you are probably the better, you might have a narrower audience but they will be as enthusiastic as you are about the topic which is great.

I watch one guy, all he does is build and refit Model Steam engines, I've herd he also plays the keyboard.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgeQiJ ... ZQn0aRd1mg

Re: If you had just left university... (26 Oct, 2017)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:05 pm
by GoGijoe
phill wrote:i agree with you it does seem the larger the staff the less likely the person who interviews you will know about what you are being hired to do
right down to the personnel managers that only know about employing people
and
how to weed out any potential 'toxic workers' which seems to be their main purpose .. avoid anyone that might look in a different direction
yet the positions i enjoyed working in .. and hence did better
would have qualified as highly toxic work places
they were very innovative people and came up with many ' worlds first / best '
a lot of them would have never been able to run a company employing other people



theres a few different types of people, you have builders and then you have maintainers, builders will come up with concepts build working models break new ground, then a company needs to employ 3x - 4x more people in the maintain role to remove all the risk via standardisation, these people typically create nothing. when a company is mostly maintainers the builders leave for new ground.

Re: If you had just left university... (26 Oct, 2017)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:08 pm
by Muscular Jam
aardvark_admin wrote:Did Bill Gates have a job before he started Microsoft? :->
While studying he worked at Honeywell, then Micro Instrumentation and Telemetry Systems, maker of the Altair 8800. Since he hadn't completed his studies he said he was prepared to return to student life if it didn't work out.

Re: If you had just left university... (26 Oct, 2017)

PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:54 am
by Weasel
Not all big companies are bad, the one I work at has about 120,000 employees.

If a place is bad to work for, then its management structure is wrong.