Risking lives to save what? (6 Dec, 2017)

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Risking lives to save what? (6 Dec, 2017)

Postby aardvark_admin » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:23 am

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Has NZ's H&S legislation gone a little to far in the wake of the Pike River tragedy?

Did our legislators go overboard, more as a sign of remorse than as a practical strategy for minimising harm in the workplace without strangling business productivity?

Who'd take a job that could see you wind up imprisoned and penniless if one small point of safety were to be overlooked?

And does it really make sense to risk more lives simply to recover the buried remains of the Pike River workers -- just so they can be re-buried elsewhere?
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Re: Risking lives to save what? (6 Dec, 2017)

Postby phill » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:40 am

i would do it
but only as an exercise in learning more about mine rescue
and working in a hazardous environment

the idea of spending heaps just to recover some husks is foreign to me
i just dont see the point

maybe they have fixated on the committees telling them it cant be done as a way of distracting themselves from the loss
but it aint going to make a bean of difference to the husks
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Re: Risking lives to save what? (6 Dec, 2017)

Postby GSVNoFixedAbode » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:40 am

It still amazes me that no one has gone into the mine to at least visually check. The distance to be walked, and corresponding equipment needed for the lengthy time in BA gear was cited as a reason. Oddly enough my mind conjures up a vision of a bloke in a divers suit (high-viz rather than black, naturally), scuba tank, miner's hat, riding a MTB (heavily greased chain or fabric belt). :roll:
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Re: Risking lives to save what? (6 Dec, 2017)

Postby phill » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:18 am

there are plenty of vehicles around suitable for the task ... diesels are popular .. they run the exhaust through a water tank
but in this case as o2 may be a problem
caged heavily shielded electrics will be the obvious ( remember they used to use candles and carbide lamps in mines .. shielded with gauze )
have a hunt around the other mines and the paint manufacturers .. or indeed any volatile hazards environment plants to see whats onhand to borrow
for sure supplying a couple of guys with tanked air is no biggie at all
.. probably diving rebreathers in this case better than standard ba's

and dont forget a bucket and shovel for the soupy bits of the husks
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Re: Risking lives to save what? (6 Dec, 2017)

Postby hiscoca » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:05 am

I was wondering how they would address to to allow entry when all the H&S idiots have deemed it unsafe therefore illegal, well it seems that it is still status quo. I'd take the CEO job, because I could just say after many millions have been spent, NO, no one enters as it is not safe. Collect paypacket and bonus job done.

All the promises where hollow and un-keepable. Standard election process.
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Re: Risking lives to save what? (6 Dec, 2017)

Postby GoGijoe » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:30 am

the obvious solution is to just create an open cast mine, H&S issues resolved, greens would throw a tantrum tho.
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Re: Risking lives to save what? (6 Dec, 2017)

Postby Malcolm » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:56 am

Obvious solution would be to create legislation around the re-entry granting immunity for Pike operations so long as certain criteria were met.
There is still value in the re-entry and recovery and mine rescue specialists have put together a plan they were confident with. It has the ability to answer a number of questions including what was the initial source of ignition and if anyone had survived the initial explosion. This might aid in future mine design and rescue planning if another incident occurs either here or overseas. Besides the government (Under Key) promised that every effort would be made to recover the bodies. Of course this all stopped once the cameras weren't rolling.
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Re: Risking lives to save what? (6 Dec, 2017)

Postby Kiwiiano » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:18 pm

GSVNoFixedAbode wrote:It still amazes me that no one has gone into the mine to at least visually check. The distance to be walked, and corresponding equipment needed for the lengthy time in BA gear was cited as a reason. Oddly enough my mind conjures up a vision of a bloke in a divers suit (high-viz rather than black, naturally), scuba tank, miner's hat, riding a MTB (heavily greased chain or fabric belt). :roll:

They put robots in but they only got a short way before finding collapsed debris that blocked the tunnel. The bodies, if much remains, are approx 1.5km underground, that could be a lot of rubbish to untangle and remove.
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Re: Risking lives to save what? (6 Dec, 2017)

Postby Screw » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:33 pm

That area has a MRS (Mine Rescue Squad) that is very highly trained and equipped. They were denied entry by the dibshidt Copper in charge.

The MRS could assess the risks and they would not go in if it was too dangerous.

The families want closure and to bury their loved ones even if it is only a few bones.

Pike River is deep in the middle of the Paparoa National Park, can't see the DOC letting then rip the top off the mountain there.
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Re: Risking lives to save what? (6 Dec, 2017)

Postby greven » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:51 pm

If it must go ahead at any cost, why can't they use remote operated equipment to clear the way?
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