Is now a good time to wait? (13 Feb, 2018)

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Is now a good time to wait? (13 Feb, 2018)

Postby aardvark_admin » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:50 am

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Is now a good time *not* to buy a PC?

Will prices of "vulnerable" systems fall significantly when systems with "fixed" versions of current processors start hitting the market?

Will there be a deluge of high-performance second hand machines flooding the market as many rush out to upgrade to a CPU that doesn't require power-sapping patches which also reduce reliability?

What do readers think?
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Re: Is now a good time to wait? (13 Feb, 2018)

Postby latewings » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:02 am

Will prices of "vulnerable" systems fall significantly when systems with "fixed" versions of current processors start hitting the market?


My 10c: Wait. The company I work for will actively replace the borked silicon bits with shiny new ones once they hit the streets. At that point there'll be a trickle down effect or the chips will be sold off with Caveat Emptor like a rash all over the sales dockets. There will be a good selection to choose from.

I'd imagine many other companies will follow the same process.
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Re: Is now a good time to wait? (13 Feb, 2018)

Postby hagfish » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:27 am

Once the new silicon is available, it will likely be in short supply, and carry a hefty premium. Large organisations/governments will face an obligation to upgrade to 'secure' chips, so Intel is facing a few quarters of heady profits. I think eventually the vulnerable CPUs will be cheap, but not for a while. Maybe by then, the altcoin market will have tipped over, too, and trademe will be awash with recent-gen CPUs and high-end graphics cards.

Until then, make sure you include AMDs Ryzen chips in your calculations. When it comes to multi-threaded workloads, their bang/buck proposition is better than Intel's.
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Re: Is now a good time to wait? (13 Feb, 2018)

Postby phill » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:11 pm

my 1 cents worth
im building up a water cooled unit ( should be finished under 300 ( 550 with the pretty perspex case )
that would alleviate the overheat and reboot problems ..over clocking will add a little more speed
should last for years as it can handle e-atx - itx ( famous last words )

for your particular use . yes ... high spec security compromised chips instead of older off lease boxes should be bottom dollar and available shortly ( motherboards may not be as available )
so saying .. when i mentioned security of online banking the people i was with just said there has always been viruses and i was stupid to worry or think about it
so im guessing a lot wont change ( good news for the organized hackers )

those with use for a cheap dedicated game machine will also be in the market
esp if mining becomes toxic and gpu's fall in price as hag pointed out


so you are back to square one
time to buy now
or
wait for more favorable conditions

still the same 2 questions with procrastination holding the middle ground
( ,,,,,,,, ....... A E I O U use em sparingly theres probably not enough )
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Re: Is now a good time to wait? (13 Feb, 2018)

Postby goosemoose » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:22 pm

Once again don't quote me on this but I suspect company accountants and lawyers will be the downfall of your "wait" plan. I think most companies have to jump through tax/legal hoops if they want to offload PC's to staff/friends/general public so they just dump all to a specialist recycler who sends them off shore. I could be wrong of course but the second hard is hardly flooded with old corporate machines is it.
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Re: Is now a good time to wait? (13 Feb, 2018)

Postby aardvark_admin » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:27 pm

Then maybe this CPU-pocalypse is a fantastic opportunity for someone to set up business buying those machines for a dollar and selling them for much more than a dollar. Hey, if you were part of the old-boy's network you could probably fill out a few forms, schmooze a few decision makers and end up getting a government subsidy as well because you'd effectively be reducing the volumes of e-waste!

Plan! Profit$$ :-)
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Re: Is now a good time to wait? (13 Feb, 2018)

Postby GSVNoFixedAbode » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:35 pm

phill wrote:my 1 cents worth
im building up a water cooled unit ( should be finished under 300 ( 550 with the pretty perspex case )
that would alleviate the overheat and reboot problems ..

There's the path to go down Bruce: boil up a nice cuppa while rendering :D
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Re: Is now a good time to wait? (13 Feb, 2018)

Postby roygbiv » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:35 pm

Whatever budget you are on, you need to spend wisely to get maximum bang for your buck, for rendering it may be more economic to have a dedicated, no compromise number cruncher. Or you can spend more (or less) and have a multi function machine - a compromise.
Firstly, you should find out exactly what your rendering programs require so you know what to get. For example, do you need hyperthreading ? some HPC users actually turn it off with some chip manufacturers so as to speed things up.
Secondly, you may be waiting quite a while for the ideal piece of kit to come on the market, the reason being is that many high performance systems are backend machines ie. a user cannot log in to them so are low risk to the vulnerabilities recently exposed. They have a stripped down OS for performance, worth considering.
while you wait there is plenty of research you can do.
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