Ownership, so outdated (18 Jun, 2018)

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Ownership, so outdated (18 Jun, 2018)

Postby aardvark_admin » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:57 am

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Could environmental pressure be the thing that finally sees a shift from "ownership" to a far more egalitarian approach of "as needed" access to many of the things we currently covet as our own?

Are fashion and style effectively too environmentally expensive to be sustainable into the 21st century?

What will be the norm in decades to come?

You tell me.
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Re: Ownership, so outdated (18 Jun, 2018)

Postby phill » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:27 am

sadly the real answer to that is for the next few decades we will keep sweeping stuff under the carpet

we may lament the process and know its wrong .. but its what will happen

what should happen is an entirely different thing ..
what research are we doing to amalgamate and use presently incompatible plastics ( the ones we cant or don't recycle at present )
what recycling ( and by that i mean using not just sorting and dumping somewhere else ) are we doing with the plastics that are in large enough sizes and types to sort into their own groups
what are we doing to make or even encourage manufacturers / marketing to only use plastic packaging if nothing else is suitable
what are we doing to make / encourage packaging with plastic is kept to a minimum quantity for each article
what are we doing to make / encourage manufacturers to restrict the types of plastics they use so they can more easily be recycled / reused
which political party would you trust to enact any of these

spoiler hint .. same answer for all

sad fact is humans dont like sharing
4 basic lawn mowers ~= 1 good ride on mower .. how many groups of four houses have bought a much better and easier to use ride on instead of 1 each
( ,,,,,,,, ....... A E I O U use em sparingly theres probably not enough )

i might live and eat in a sewer .. but hey look how many of these shiney things i have got
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Re: Ownership, so outdated (18 Jun, 2018)

Postby hagfish » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:34 pm

I recently watched the two Gloriavale documentary series that are available on demand. There's a lot of 'god-stuff', very little individual freedom, and women are treated as 'uteruses that can peel spuds', but there's also lots about their community that's very impressive. The people they interviewed all seemed very connected with one another, and happy to be working toward their common cause. Their clothing is standard issue, their meals are communal, their living arrangements are modest. Their scope for entertainment and creativity is very limited but they use very little plastic, and everything is shared.

The community is run by a circle of elder men, who derive their authority from god. If this kind of social organisation were to be implemented on a larger scale, I expect it would need to be run by a circle of AIs, who derive their authority from their hunter-killer robo-hounds, but it would certainly cut down on our consumption of straws.
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Re: Ownership, so outdated (18 Jun, 2018)

Postby Perry » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:50 pm

Something will come up.
All we need is the right crisis of the right magnitude at the right time in the right place. ;)
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Re: Ownership, so outdated (18 Jun, 2018)

Postby paulw » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:32 am

"Is it possible that, by the year 2100, people won't "own" anything. Instead, they'll simply pay a levy which entitles them to access all that they need, as and when they need it? No more personally owned cars, computers, phones, drones, houses or anything like that -- simply a right to access those things as/when you need them but not be encumbered by them (or the cost of ownership) when you don't."

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