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INCIS, NOVAPAY, IRD? (27 Jun, 2018)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:44 am
by aardvark_admin
This column is archived at: https://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2018/0627.shtml

Oh no, is the IRD IT upgrade about to be added to the list of notable failures such as INCIS and NOVAPAY?

Or is this simply a commissioning blip?

Your thoughts... or are you too afraid to say anything negative about the IRD for fear of an unexpected audit? :-)

Re: INCIS, NOVAPAY, IRD? (27 Jun, 2018)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:47 am
by Malcolm
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Welp, better add todays column to that list.

Re: INCIS, NOVAPAY, IRD? (27 Jun, 2018)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:50 am
by aardvark_admin
In the microsecond or so it takes for all the files to upload... there's always someone who sneaks in :-)

Re: INCIS, NOVAPAY, IRD? (27 Jun, 2018)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:09 pm
by Malcolm
Of course a good project manager will tell the client to get stuffed when they start rolling up with a steady stream of "requests" for post-sign-off changes because the seasoned professional understands just how quickly these small changes can destroy a timeline and the integrity of the whole system.


Actually a good project manager will scope the request and come back with a variation on the contract for the client to sign. Sometimes you just price the request with a bit of margin, other times an additional aggravation factor is added in there depending on the nature and number of these requests. An old adage in business is to never say no, just make the price for yes too high. Often on big projects this is how the contractors make money. Tender on the original scope as tight as possible and make the cream on the variations. I am betting this is what happened with INCIS causing the total cost blowout.

Re: INCIS, NOVAPAY, IRD? (27 Jun, 2018)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:18 pm
by Stevesub
Don't worry, OZ has the same problem. From memory it was the teachers or nurses (cannot remember which) in OZ that were screwed for years while bugs were sorted in their system, the same system as Novapay.

As for their big systems such as Census 2011 and Football World cup 2018 live streaming via Optus, there was or still is gross underestimating of the traffic that had to be carried and not enoguh capacity was (is) provided. The Census took months to complete because it all fell over, the Football is now FTA on TV rather than streaming and paid content.

Then you get Telstra with their NBN, if you want speed at night setup a VPN to anywhere but OZ, then you may be able to get some speed out of it. There are people on our island in OZ getting as low as 1Mbps download on Fibre to the home at busy times with Telstra. Fortunately we are not as bad as that.

Re: INCIS, NOVAPAY, IRD? (27 Jun, 2018)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:25 pm
by phill
aardvark_admin wrote:In the microsecond or so it takes for all the files to upload... there's always someone who sneaks in :-)


OIII
I heard that

the IRD minions who, for years, have toiled unwaveringly at their desks, following orders and delivering their best service on behalf of taxpayers,

one is presumptive that that was a definite tongue in cheek


you have to remember that we dont employ snivel servants that have much imagination

so most of the changes will be because major requirements were forgotten to be added in the first place
then a stream of demands as other major deficiencies start to show
they are snivel servants .. they have nothing to worry about when it comes to incompetence or total inability to do their job
there is nothing we can do about it apart from the traditional post disaster statement of .. well its what we expect from them its never changed

when you have no liability for your mistakes .. then mistakes will keep happening

Re: INCIS, NOVAPAY, IRD? (27 Jun, 2018)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:33 pm
by aardvark_admin
Now here's something interesting...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/105036 ... parliament

How can Labour do this? After all, the previous government told us bluntly that there was *NOTHING* that little old NZ could do to stop this tax rorting until such time as the rest of the world also came out with laws to prevent profit-shifting and other practices that reduced the tax liabilities of multinationals.

Surely John Key and his crew would not have lied to us just to protect their buddies?

I am aghast!

Get A Life

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:22 pm
by Perry
Parliament voted unanimously on Tuesday night for a new law to stop multinational companies avoiding paying tax in New Zealand.

Doh!?!?

Passing a law and getting compliance are two different things.

The W'gton woodenheads would not know that, though.

As for the varied gummint IT debacles like NoWayPay, anyone remember the Wanganui Police Computer?

As I recall, it was 100% successful.

If anyone else recalls that, can they now remember why it was a success?

Re: INCIS, NOVAPAY, IRD? (27 Jun, 2018)

PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:28 am
by Weasel
Problem with Govt is they take the lowest bid on projects, you get what you pay for, and its hardly surprising what they often get is a pile of crap. Govts seem to be ripe targets for crappy IT companies to sell their garbage to for big bucks.

Where I've seen most IT projects go wrong is one more of the following - too many problems try to get solved by the "new thing" in one swoop, discovery was incomplete resulting in changes to the spec mid flight for things that "got missed", lack of resources to get it done right or over promising and under delivering, lack of people with intimate knowledge of the systems they're trying to replace or even the product they're replacing them with, too many fingers in the pie/cooks in the kitchen/no one with the balls or authority to make a final say on anything - e.g. say NO to middle managements miss guided ideas.

Work at a company with competent project managers, resources, and skilled engineers, and its amazing what can be achieved with minimal pain to end users.

Re: INCIS, NOVAPAY, IRD? (27 Jun, 2018)

PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:03 am
by Perry
Weasel wrote:Work at a company with competent project managers, resources, and skilled engineers, and its amazing what can be achieved with minimal pain to end users.

There are such places? :o