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The USA's Space Force (13 Aug, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:17 am
by aardvark_admin
This column is archived at: https://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2018/0813.shtml

Is this latest announcement from the USA simply an admission of what they've already been doing for decades?

We know there has been passive militarisation of space but what are the odds there's also an active (offensive) element already strategically positioned above the planet?

Would an imbalance in the MAD balance present an increased risk of major military conflict between the superpowers?

Could/should all these trillions (and it probably is trillions) have been better spent on other things?

Should space be declared a neutral zone where no nation may stage offensive capablities?

Or are we really just buggered no matter what we do?

Re: The USA's Space Force (13 Aug, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:33 am
by Perry
I suppose it's foolish to ask about the first cause?

Why can't nations be happy with what they have and trade (fairly) for what they haven't got?

Imagine what all that military money could do if it was applied to constructive civilian projects.

Re: The USA's Space Force (13 Aug, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:44 am
by aardvark_admin
But Perry, they would say that the money spent on military things *is* well spent.

Without that money, countless politicians, lobbyists and corporate executives would be unable to afford the lifestyles to which they have become accustomed and that would mean thousands more illegal-immigrants, barely earning enough to survive, would be out of a job for lack of housekeeping, pool cleaning, limo valeting and other jobs that would be lost.

For goodness sake, think of the poor and their children!! :lol:

Re: The USA's Space Force (13 Aug, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:15 am
by goosemoose
It just the US looking for another "enemy". They've been doing it since the beginning. Taming the frontier, defending the homestead, fighting those that "wish to harm us" etc etc etc. This is just another take on that. They seem to thrive on it, even though the world is truly a global village now, looking for threats under the bed. We should be over this petty nonsense now but alas. Sure it will give the good ol' boys flash new uniforms, medals and ceremonies they can drool over. A continuation of their ceaseless worship of the military. In reality there are more pressing threats to our survival, unfortunately these can't be solved by dressing up, with all the flashest bang bang gear, and playing cowboys and indians.

Re: The USA's Space Force (13 Aug, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:33 pm
by mad
There is the small issue of the "Outer Space Treaty"
https://www.state.gov/t/isn/5181.htm

"First, it contains an undertaking not to place in orbit around the Earth, install on the moon or any other celestial body, or otherwise station in outer space, nuclear or any other weapons of mass destruction.

Second, it limits the use of the moon and other celestial bodies exclusively to peaceful purposes and expressly prohibits their use for establishing military bases, installation, or fortifications; testing weapons of any kind; or conducting military maneuvers."


But as with all treaties which can wonderfully be described as "ink on a page" ( bonus points to anyone who recognises the quote)
and given the US withdrawal from the TPP and Paris agreements, there is nothing stopping the US voiding this agreement too

Re: The USA's Space Force (13 Aug, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:48 pm
by Perry
Yes - weapons of modest destruction would be exempt, wouldn't they? :twisted:

Re: The USA's Space Force (13 Aug, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:49 pm
by GSVNoFixedAbode
Perry wrote:Yes - weapons of modest destruction would be exempt, wouldn't they? :twisted:

You mean like, oh I don't know, large rocks in high orbit that can be aimed.

Re: The USA's Space Force (13 Aug, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:56 pm
by Perry
GSVNoFixedAbode wrote:
Perry wrote:Yes - weapons of modest destruction would be exempt, wouldn't they? :twisted:

You mean like, oh I don't know, large rocks in high orbit that can be aimed.


Yeah. Like, with a slingshot. ;)

Re: The USA's Space Force (13 Aug, 2018)

PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:29 am
by hagfish
Perry wrote:
GSVNoFixedAbode wrote:
Perry wrote:Yes - weapons of modest destruction would be exempt, wouldn't they? :twisted:

You mean like, oh I don't know, large rocks in high orbit that can be aimed.


Yeah. Like, with a slingshot. ;)


It wouldn't have to be 'nookyoolar' or anything - a 150Kg titanium bolt hitting pretty much anything at 8Km/second would leave a neat crater.

Sure - we could spend our productive and cognitive surpluses on 'bettering' humanity; but we don't. Warfare is a great sop.

Re: The USA's Space Force (13 Aug, 2018)

PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:01 am
by aardvark_admin
In the latest series of Salvation (a US sci-fi TV series) they're planning to convert a particle accelerator into a rail gun and shoot huge slugs of depleted uranium at a killer asteroid headed for earth.

Yeah... sci-fi ain't what it used to be!