Google: we know where you have been (14 Aug, 2018)

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Google: we know where you have been (14 Aug, 2018)

Postby aardvark_admin » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:43 am

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Should we be worried (or surprised) that Google does not honour the settings you make on your phone or other GPS-enabled device?

Is it time to admit defeat and resign ourselves to the fact that, despite laws that are supposed to protect our privacy, the whole concept of keeping some stuff to yourself is now an antiquated, outdated vestige from the 20th century that is now no longer viable?

Are our only options to accept the loss of privacy associated with 21st century technology -- or to go bush?
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Re: Google: we know where you have been (14 Aug, 2018)

Postby phill » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:10 am

i have deluded myself into thinking i have enough permissions turned off to enable control over my privacy and data
( ,,,,,,,, ....... A E I O U use em sparingly theres probably not enough )

i might live and eat in a sewer .. but hey look how many of these shiney things i have got
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Re: Google: we know where you have been (14 Aug, 2018)

Postby latewings » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:52 am

Maybe someone should develop an app that spoofs locations. :twisted:
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Re: Google: we know where you have been (14 Aug, 2018)

Postby JonL » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:10 pm

latewings wrote:Maybe someone should develop an app that spoofs locations. :twisted:

I'd be in for one of those.....it's that, or ditch all electronics and head for the Kimberley....
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Re: Google: we know where you have been (14 Aug, 2018)

Postby A Bradford » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:48 pm

This is a regularly recurring theme in your blog Bruce so it is worth a quick word just to add two cents. I’ll cut straight to the chase.

You are high in psychological trait ‘openness’ low in trait ‘conscientiousness’ high in ‘disagreeableness’ and low in ‘neuroticism’ and high in ‘extraversion’. That’s my guess, anyway, after watching you for many years. Interestingly high openness and low conscientiousness go together to predict extremely reliably, left-wing politics. Your political leanings could have been predicted when you were 2 years old with 90% accuracy. That is how reliable these traits are. You’re very welcoming and like open borders. Privacy means nothing to you. And that’s absolutely fine. More power to you, we need diversity of opinion.
You live in the socialist republic of NZ perfectly suited to those innate traits at the moment. Here is a good recent article on NZ with an outsider’s view of NZ suggesting quite a shift to the left.

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/201 ... w-zealand/

I am almost the opposite of you. Lower in openness and higher in conscientiousness lower in extraversion etc. So my question is… why should your psychological traits dictate the system I must conform to when it produces a psychologically/socially/environmentally “uneasy” society for me just because it’s your “preference.” That’s what’s happening today. The left-wing runs everything at the moment and there is little room for centre-right views. We need a balance and a constant dialogue between left and right and that balance between produces the best solution for us all. Too far in one direction is bad and you don’t have to go far back in time to see shocking examples of this. Governments can turn tyrannical as seen in Venezuela once the richest in South America.

While you have no belief in privacy I believe it is a fundamental right set in stone. And that will never change because of my innate traits. People like me, low in openness – i.e. conservatives who like to conserve – should be taken into consideration, but that’s doesn’t happen.

Frequently you look around with wonderment and post the question “what’s happening.” I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop but it never does. Your belief in logic and science clashes with your left-wing – progressive – beliefs and creates the dichotomy you constantly struggle with. This is a long running prominent theme in your blog. Leaving you constantly puzzled. I keep expecting you to reveal all and explain the situation but you never do. I have come to the conclusion you are genuinely puzzled. Hopefully this will give you some food for thought… another angle as it were.

I have made little effort to make this post ‘touchy-feely’ because my psychological profile is quite ‘direct’ and this is written in a hurry as I have to be somewhere so apologies to those who are more sensitive to word structures if it seems harsh and authoritarian. Even though we are polar opposites I still really enjoy and get a lot out of your videos. I do wish you would be a little bit more conscientious and finish some of the projects you start but that is psychologically impossible and I accept that. :D
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Re: Google: we know where you have been (14 Aug, 2018)

Postby aardvark_admin » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:59 pm

I've never said that I have no belief in privacy (as a right). I believe we should all have privacy as an undeniable right... the problem is that we have already swapped that right for all the glister that is the convenience and luxury of new technologies.

I'm not one of the selfie/Facebook/Twitter generation who feels the need to plaster my every move and activity all over the Net and indeed, I keep my private and professional/public lives quite separate most of the time.

However, I am a pragmatist and I do relalise that there is just no way to avoid the choice of whether you give up significant amounts of privacy -- or go bush -- because they are the only two options.

Walk down a busy city street and you're on camera so unless you wear a mask (in which case you'll be refused service at banks, gas-stations, etc), you're already buggered.

Give me the strength to change what should be changed and the intelligence to recognise that which can't be changed.
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Re: Google: we know where you have been (14 Aug, 2018)

Postby phill » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:04 pm

all i got from that was
im in the <10% tum
no real surprise i suppose
funnily none of my close family comply to those criteria for their so called leaning either .. they are politically polar opposites to me
the only thing i have seen in common to the right and far right ( that which i grew up with ) is they are excessively greedy, self possessed and self indulgent
they also tend to believe that because they have money and power they are intelligent and should run everything ( a grossly inaccurate belief in most cases )
( ,,,,,,,, ....... A E I O U use em sparingly theres probably not enough )

i might live and eat in a sewer .. but hey look how many of these shiney things i have got
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Re: Google: we know where you have been (14 Aug, 2018)

Postby roygbiv » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:07 pm

Bruce, Mr A Bradford is pulling your chain, glad you did not quite take the bait.

Back to the matter in hand regarding Google, such wonderful information they provide - all free. But, no this is the payback they have. I have always suspected that my clever phone tracks and reports, I do not have a problem with that, it will catch up with them eventually, long before anyone would even desire to catch up with me. If I did worry I would just leave my phone at home, or work, or in the car, or delete the app and just let Apple get all the info. Or, just not worry about it.
I have no idea what psychological trait that leaves me (it does all sound like a load of old tosh), only that I read completely different books to that of the aforementioned Mr. B and am probably a lot wealthier for it, and I am not talking money :D
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No Honour Among The Thieves

Postby Perry » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:12 am

Perhaps the old adage about life's certainties - death and taxes - needs an upgrade?

I've long said that the giant USA tech companies are - in reality - today's cyber terrorists. I also suspect that - deep down and as roygbiv has observed - people know that they are being manipulated by said tech companies.

But, just as people keep electing manipulative pollies who will lie to the electorate - those same people will keep using search engines and buying needless toyz from the USA boyz, knowing their inherently deceptive nature.

roygbiv wrote:I have always suspected that my clever phone tracks and reports. I do not have a problem with that, it will catch up with them eventually, long before anyone would even desire to catch up with me.

I'm keen to know how (and in what way) it will "catch up with them eventually?"
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Re: No Honour Among The Thieves

Postby Weasel » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:46 am

Perry wrote:Perhaps the old adage about life's certainties - death and taxes - needs an upgrade?

I've long said that the giant USA tech companies are - in reality - today's cyber terrorists. I also suspect that - deep down and as roygbiv has observed - people know that they are being manipulated by said tech companies.

But, just as people keep electing manipulative pollies who will lie to the electorate - those same people will keep using search engines and buying needless toyz from the USA boyz, knowing their inherently deceptive nature.

roygbiv wrote:I have always suspected that my clever phone tracks and reports. I do not have a problem with that, it will catch up with them eventually, long before anyone would even desire to catch up with me.

I'm keen to know how (and in what way) it will "catch up with them eventually?"


You're welcome to develop your own tech companies - phones, search engines, let us know how it works out :-)

Anyways, the way you have framed this is wrong. These companies are operating with-in the law and the free market, they're don't have some mysterious vendetta against anyone and everyone. Data is the new oil, its going to take a few years (decades) for laws to catch up with how information is collected, stored and used. As with most "new things" everything is fine until there is a big problem, and law makers are put in a position to act. Europe has GDPR, the US will get there eventually, the government has started to wake up to whats happening.

Cars perhaps are a great analogy, for decades safety features were non existent, fuel economy was non existent nor were clean emissions, auto makers were not about to make their products "suck" in the name of safety or much else, it wasn't until law makers were in a position to act, now the US has some of the tightest safety, emission and fuel efficiency laws in the world. These standards filter down by way of adoption or simply by way of importing these products already built to a standard.
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