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VPNs the boom and the ban (16 Apr, 2019)

PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:56 am
by aardvark_admin
This column is archived at: https://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2019/0416.shtml

Are VPNs just too much of a challenge to the ability of authority to control and surveil the actions of "the great unwashed" online?

Will other countries follow China's lead by banning or severely restricting (under license perhaps) the ability for "mere mortals" to use a technology that effectively protects and hides their online activities?

Will such a ban/control be justified by the old "only terrorists and child pornographers use VPNs" line?

Are we starting to slide down the slipery-slope of control and surveillance already when it comes to internet use?

What did you think of my summation of the situation? Way OTT? Essentially true? An obvious failure to take the prescribed medication? You tell me.

Re: VPNs the boom and the ban (16 Apr, 2019)

PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:10 am
by JonL
I suspect, essentially, this is what will happen. Power is paramount to those in charge, and anything that challenges that will be increasingly stamped on.

Re: VPNs the boom and the ban (16 Apr, 2019)

PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:16 am
by GSVNoFixedAbode
I'll go with
Over-the-top but worryingly accurate

Re: VPNs the boom and the ban (16 Apr, 2019)

PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:23 am
by phill
another game of wack a mole
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/ ... censorship
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story ... 107&page=1

i have looked at a few of similar type articles ..
where there is a will a way is found

dont try and get between a good keen man and his porn .. esp if he knows a pizza loving geek, hacking for fun and freedom

its the will they will try to kill
though some say faceache and instagram have killed most of it already .. peeps to sheeps is seemingly a much smaller step than thought

Re: VPNs the boom and the ban (16 Apr, 2019)

PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:53 am
by pid@ifm.net.nz
I would say the main use of VPNs is for commercial purposes to connect together companies branches to their DC's and each other. VPNs allow phone systems to work across branches, and access to internal applications at prices far cheaper than traditional international MPLS circuits.

I'll give you a specific example. I have a customer that was paying AT&T NZD$5,000 per month for a 10Mb/s access to their global WAN in Auckland. This is just for the Auckland connection. We replaced their global WAN with a Cisco Meraki SD-WAN solution (a flash name for a VPN). They are now using a 100Mb/s Internet tail in Auckland that costs NZD$130 per month, and they have noticed a huge increase in speed in using their internal applications.

It is for reasons like this that commercial organisations use VPNs a lot. Nothing to do with avoiding local country filters.


When countries announce potential VPN bans it makes providing "guaranteed" access to branches in those countries much more difficult. It provides a dis-incentive to establish in those countries.

Re: VPNs the boom and the ban (16 Apr, 2019)

PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:23 pm
by patrick
I'm sure VPN monitoring isn't too difficult for the 5 or 14 Eyes given their taps into many of the world's fibres. They can monitor most of the traffic into a country or VPN and then link that (with extremely accurate timing) to the traffic out of the country or VPN, over time it's fairly simple to figure out what individual VPN users are accessing. I'd imagine VPN users are more of a target as they'll be seen as trying to hide something. If the sites are of interest then they can break into either end or the VPN itself to access the traffic content.

I imagine Tor where there are 3+ hops is more problematic.

Re: VPNs the boom and the ban (16 Apr, 2019)

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:06 am
by cjet
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