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RIP Firefox

Postby Muscular Jam » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:59 am

Well as expected Firefox 57 broke every addon I care about. I was not happy when they started bundling crapware like pocket, was mightily peeved when they decided to start sharing user data with a German media company, but this was the final straw. Despite being a staunch supporter since it was netscape I've come to the end of the road with firefox.

So, examining other options and wondering if other Aardvarkians are going the same route?

Sticking with firefox 56? Already left the sinking ship for chrome? Palemoon? Slimjet? Waterfox?
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Re: RIP Firefox

Postby phill » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:14 pm

i switched to comodo ice dragon .. windross only ( its a ff fork ( lovely name for backwards engineering ) its a lot quicker than ff was )
it supports the legacy firefox addons ... the one most want is tab mix plus .. yes that works
i also found the link to uninstall and go back to a previous version of ff .. thats where we sit now and just dont update ... apparently the coder for tab mix is considering updating to comply with firefox's new policies but that might take awhile

i was also lucky enough to update and go back on windross before i updated on mint
so i dont know what can be done if you have updated the ubuntu ff
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Re: RIP Firefox

Postby Muscular Jam » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:51 pm

how does it do on http://www.speed-battle.com?

For me on linux mint 18.2 (16.04 xenial base)

Firefox/57.0
Calculate 126.03
Store 1310.72
Render 126.03
OVERALL SCORE 1562.78

Google Chrome Version 62.0.3202.94
Calculate 174.3
Store 762.05
Render 40.16
OVERALL SCORE 976.51

So yeah, FF57 does seem to be faster than chrome, but not much use if I can't do what I want to do. I'll post more results as I get them if anyone is interested.

*edit*

PaleMoon/27.6.1
Calculate 130.03
Store 1213.63
Render 113.78
OVERALL SCORE 1457.44

Not all firefox addons compatible see https://addons.palemoon.org/incompatible/


Test series ID
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Re: RIP Firefox

Postby Muscular Jam » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:18 pm

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Re: RIP Firefox

Postby phill » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:39 pm

Detection
Operating System Win32, Windows NT 6.1
Browser Netscape, Mozilla/5.0 Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0 Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
Test series ID 112280



Your SPEED-BATTLE result*:
Calculate
Store
Render
OVERALL SCORE
102.4
1191.56
78.77
1372.73
21699 test results** in 2017:
Average
114.243
1107.78
125.33
1348.03
Best
154.57
1956.3
167.18
2268.63
Poorest
0
1.36
1.16
11.1

seems its built on ff 52
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Re: RIP Firefox

Postby Malcolm » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:41 am

I quite liked the new update, very snappy, lower memory use as well. As for plugins I stopped worrying around FF4 when a bunch I used stopped working and the people making them never updated. Sadly it seems so many plugins get made, released and then no more maintenance. That is entirely on the plugin devs. Everyone knew a change in the plugin API was coming, but since they have essentially been abandoned no one updated them. Changes do have to be made from time to time to account for security issues, even more efficient/better ways of doing things.
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Re: RIP Firefox

Postby phill » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:13 am

like most of the comments i saw
i use tab mix and have for a long time because i get up to 60 tabs open at a time
no other ap or browser supports a way of instantly seeing all of them .. and marking the one you are on and the ones you have not yet opened
going back to one line of 10 or so just doesn't do it .. or even 50 odd hidden off the scroll
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Re: RIP Firefox

Postby Muscular Jam » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:54 am

Malcolm if you use a vanilla firefox with no plugins then firefox 57 is probably great. However on some sites I need to have 20+ greasemonkey scripts running, as well as numerous cross-site addons, such as a downloader with integrated SHA256. They are under active development but the developers are advising that they cannot make them function under the new WebExtensions framework. Greasemonkey tried to adapt, but have failed miserably and I am now having to migrate the scripts to tampermonkey. major pita
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Re: RIP Firefox

Postby Muscular Jam » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:23 pm

Waterfox/55.2.2
Calculate 130.03
Store 1409.38
Render 148.95
OVERALL SCORE 1688.36

I installed waterfox using the instructions from https://www.reddit.com/r/waterfox/comme ... inux_mint/

Code: Select all
echo "deb https://dl.bintray.com/hawkeye116477/waterfox-deb release main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/waterfox-release-hawkeye116477.list
curl https://hawkeye116477.github.io/waterfox-deb/hawkeye116477.key | sudo apt-key add -
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install waterfox

It migrated my old firefox profile, and up popped all my addons. No pocket, no phoning home. Beautiful
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Re: RIP Firefox

Postby Muscular Jam » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:50 pm

And just for completeness, here are the results after I updated to Linux Mint 18.3

Speed
1673.36 Waterfox 55
1633.74 Firefox 57
1459.04 PaleMoon 27.6.1
814.47 Chrome 62

So for me at least, RIP firefox, hello Waterfox!
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