Good morning 2020 (6 Jan, 2020)

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Good morning 2020 (6 Jan, 2020)

Postby aardvark_admin » Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:28 am

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Welcome to the third decade of the 21st century.

Are things starting out a bit crappy or what?
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Re: Good morning 2020 (6 Jan, 2020)

Postby Perry » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:03 am

T'will be interesting to see the responses, in the days ahead.

As far as I'm aware, totalitarian, ideologically-driven regimes don't have much of a human rights record.

And, what would be the chance of an extradition request succeeding, I wonder? :twisted:
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Re: Good morning 2020 (6 Jan, 2020)

Postby hagfish » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:19 am

Strictly speaking, this happened at the end of the 20-teens, but was still quite impressive, IMO.

As far as hypocrisy goes, surely it's just 'powerful people exercising power'? They'll toss out some reasons, but if we dutifully 'chase the ball', all that does is further distract from their actual motivations. No one ever got charged with 'hypocrisy'.

I expect a lot of New Zealanders looked at the sky yesterday, and thought 'faaaark', but that it likely won't be enough for (m)any of us to make significant changes to our levels of consumption. This could the silver lining of Donald's new war. If it kicks off properly, it should distrupt global commerce even better than his tarriffs.
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Re: Good morning 2020 (6 Jan, 2020)

Postby aardvark_admin » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:20 am

And the forthcoming "nuclear winter" ought to mitigate the effects of global warming quite well :-/
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Re: Good morning 2020 (6 Jan, 2020)

Postby Wetherman » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:31 am

Two observations: Unfortunately we now have to pick our words carefully when we say "a drone never killed anyone" :(
The news coverage I saw carried a sentence something like "We can't have people arbitrarily deciding people should be killed..." and I thought they were referring to Trump. No, actually they were referring to the recently deceased, whatever his name is.
And on a lighter note (but irksome to me, I must be OCD or something) the third decade of this century starts next year 2021.
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Re: Good morning 2020 (6 Jan, 2020)

Postby goosemoose » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:55 am

Wetherman wrote:And on a lighter note (but irksome to me, I must be OCD or something) the third decade of this century starts next year 2021.

Oooh, you've irked me ;) !!! A decade is a period of 10 years, it can start anytime. So for me and most others the 3rd decade started on Jan 1 2020. It's not like the zeroth year never existed.
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Re: Good morning 2020 (6 Jan, 2020)

Postby aardvark_admin » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:02 am

Yep, since the first decade of the 21st century started on Jan 1, 2000 then it follows that the third decade starts on Jan 1, 2020.
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Re: Good morning 2020 (6 Jan, 2020)

Postby hagfish » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:37 am

aardvark_admin wrote:Yep, since the first decade of the 21st century started on Jan 1, 2000 then it follows that the third decade starts on Jan 1, 2020.

It's odd that anyone could seriously suggest that the first year of the 2020s could be anything other than ... 2020, but here we are.
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Re: Good morning 2020 (6 Jan, 2020)

Postby Wetherman » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:05 pm

aardvark_admin wrote:Yep, since the first decade of the 21st century started on Jan 1, 2000 then it follows that the third decade starts on Jan 1, 2020.

Ooh, clearly outnumbered. Lucky this is not a democracy. On my planet I count ten things from 1 to 10, then 11 to 20, then 21 to 30. As Goosemoose says, a decade can start in any year. I chose 1, so the 21st century didn't start until 2001.
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Re: Good morning 2020 (6 Jan, 2020)

Postby Fast Eddie » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:30 pm

Wetherman wrote:
aardvark_admin wrote:Yep, since the first decade of the 21st century started on Jan 1, 2000 then it follows that the third decade starts on Jan 1, 2020.

Ooh, clearly outnumbered. Lucky this is not a democracy. On my planet I count ten things from 1 to 10, then 11 to 20, then 21 to 30. As Goosemoose says, a decade can start in any year. I chose 1, so the 21st century didn't start until 2001.


Agreed. When referring to millennia or centuries, or any AD date for that matter, the implication of the numerical value is the year number from the birth of Christ (let's put aside the fact that we're almost certainly a few years out to begin with). More specifically, 2020 means "the 2020th year since the birth of Christ". It does NOT mean "the 2020th year since 1BC". And therefore, millennia begin year 1, 1001, 2001, etc. So as Wetherman said, the numbering of AD years begins at 1, therefore the 21st century didn't start until 2001.

Perhaps, as an agreed compromise, it would be okay to say "the third decade of the 2000s". Agreed? :)
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