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Music, whine and cheese (3 Sep, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:30 am
by aardvark_admin
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Yay, this cold was a nasty one but very short-lived and I'm feeling 95% better already!

But to the topic of the day... the music industry...

Do these clowns really think that any significant number of people are going to spend time ripping YouTube videos to get the music into .mp3 files rather than simply subscribe to Spotify, iTunes or whatever?

My wife (who is a bit Spotify user) wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. Nobody else I know would bother to do it... so why are they chasing minnows when they'd be far better advised to go out and find some real talent instead of recloning pretty young things with highly processed "autotuned" voices and 4-chord formulaic melodies.

Once they've managed to shut down all the "easy peasy" websites that offer to do the ripping for you, will they then go after software such as VLC which will do exactly the same thing (but without the ads?). At what stage do we tell the music industry "enough already, shut up and get back to work"?

Re: Music, whine and cheese (3 Sep, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:47 am
by phill
as far as i know none of the mp3 rippers have worked for ages
.. thats the ones that ripped mp3s from youtube videos via browser extensions
( i was trying to get decent copies of reveille, rouse and the last post for our local anzac day service )

i guess you can still go to specialist pages and have it done for you
if you are willing to go to sites that specialise in that sort of thing and then trust them to add nothing extra to the file they give you back

i didnt know VLC did it
wonder if it still works

as for the industries huge losses it reminds me of the old story about
how the musician was poor the sound engineer was poor even the servants at all their houses were poor

Re: Music, whine and cheese (3 Sep, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:55 am
by aardvark_admin
Yep, VLC works -- just choose convert/save from stream and use the youtube video's URL as the network stream source. I use this when I want to download a bit of a video to include in one of my rant or news videos (fair use :-))

Re: Music, whine and cheese (3 Sep, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:13 am
by phill
it worked ( i now have a good playable mp3 of the last post )
but i did download the complete vid to work on first

Re: Music, whine and cheese (3 Sep, 2018)

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:18 am
by hagfish
Rather than cracking down on 12-year-olds ripping Tay Tay to mp3, the 'Industry' should be looking at how software like Ableton, distribution platforms like DistroKid, and AI are (further) disrupting their business.

Spotify already know what we want to listen to, and is busy churning out bland, anodyne 'in-house' music. They pay session musicians by the cord ( :D ), so they don't have to pay royalties. Some people are 'collectors' and want to have a personal relationship with their music - provenance is important. Most people, however, seem happy enough to say, "hey Siri - play Country music" and away it goes.

“There was a whole chain of separate departments dealing with proletarian literature, music, drama and entertainment generally. Here were produced rubbishy newspapers containing almost nothing except sport, crime and astrology, sensational five-cent novelettes, films oozing with sex, and sentimental songs which were composed entirely by mechanical means on a special kind of kaleidoscope known as a versificator.
― George Orwell, 1984

Re: Music, whine and cheese (3 Sep, 2018)

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:21 am
by stoatwblr
"Ah... but then, in the late 1980s and 1990s the CD came along... and the interweb!"

FWIW, before CDs came along, record sales had already fallen off dramatically since the 1960s. By the early 80s in NZ the singles charts were a joke with 200-250 sales nationwide in a week being a "number one" and 20 would get you into the top 20 (At least one single fell out of the charts due to all the pressed copies being sold and no more being available). Singles counts were less than 1% of album sales at this point (worldwide, not just NZ)

CDs injected a new lease of life into the market as people updated their collections with digital versions but the singles market continued imploding and by the end of the 1980s the nosedive in album sales resumed.

Music companies jealously hoarded their back catalogues, refusing to reissue anything except the most popular material and only on _their_terms (meaning the artists got shafted). When CDs came along the "cost" of the new format was used as an excuse to slash royalties even further (Having paid for CD and LP production runs, I can assure readers that CDs were cheaper by the mid-late 1980s).

Music sharing was used as an excuse for nosediving sales, even when it was obvious that sharers were actually buying significantly more music than anyone else. The problem was if they couldn't blame sharing on the Internet, music industry manglement would have to admit that the problem was of their own making. One of the reasons sharers were resented was that they were driving up demand for back-catalogue items, meaning companies had to start reissuing more items and end up carrying more stock == more backend costs. In an ideal world for the execs, you listen to what they tell you to listen to and you reminisce about the old stuff they tell you to reminisce about, so that they only need to press and carry large volumes of a few lines of product.