Why are state employees above the law? (27 Sep, 2018)

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Why are state employees above the law? (27 Sep, 2018)

Postby aardvark_admin » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:45 am

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Surely this is just a farce?

Why do we even bother having laws to protect the citizens of this country from abuse by government and its employees if, when found to have broken those laws, those responsible are not punished for their crimes?

We've seen it before, we're seeing it again and I have no doubt that we will continue to see state employees thumbing their noses at the law with impunity.

Perhaps more importantly however, one must ask why on earth it is that nobody seems to care?

Imagine the outrage if we decided to make murder or rape a crime that carried no penalty. So why do we feel comfortable that those who are in the employ of the state (and therefore have an incredible ability to abuse the general public's rights) never have to face censure for their crimes?

Outrageous!
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Re: Why are state employees above the law? (27 Sep, 2018)

Postby goosemoose » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:22 am

I think you'll find that the chain of command, or chaos normally, in most organisations will obfuscate the originator(s) of such idiocy. Therefore everyone and no one will get the blame. Works like a charm. This is an essential skill of modern management. Obviously if kudos was involved only one person would take the credit.
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Re: Why are state employees above the law? (27 Sep, 2018)

Postby aardvark_admin » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:40 am

Ultimately... PEOPLE make the decisions and where those decisions represent a breach of the law they should be held accountable.

Also, the Nuremburg defense should be as equally in admissable such that those who break the law "on orders" should suffer the same fate as their superiors. This would encourage staff at all levels to become familiar with the relevant laws and to challenge any orders to break them.

Everyone's a winner then! :-)
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Re: Why are state employees above the law? (27 Sep, 2018)

Postby latewings » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:56 am

Politicians/Officials can do anything to avoid blame. Case in point was the retrospective legislation Labour passed to legitimise the 2006 election overspending. Any wrong can be made right later with the stroke of a pen.

Dictatorial corruption of the moral invertebrate. That action diluted the power of the vote with no compunction for democracy.

Do as we say, not as we do. Its a shiver that requires a spine to run down else we be doomed. We seriously need the Forth Estate to calcify their spinal columns to ensure accountability is maintained. They are our watchers.
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Re: Why are state employees above the law? (27 Sep, 2018)

Postby goosemoose » Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:16 pm

aardvark_admin wrote:This would encourage staff at all levels to become familiar with the relevant laws and to challenge any orders to break them.

Everyone's a winner then! :-)

Except management. You challenge orders you'll have all types of HR BS coming down on you. Seen it first hand many times. 'Fraid it doesn't work that way - the small minded, idiotic, power crazed mindless buffoon manager is the norm. You just carry out orders and hope you're not caught in the inevitable shit show.
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Re: Why are state employees above the law? (27 Sep, 2018)

Postby decibel » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:27 pm

Many years ago my wife worked for the old Labour Department under her maiden name, purely because she dealt with some rat-bags, one of which threatened to kill her.
If that is the reason why some govt. employees use false names, they have my support.
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Re: Why are state employees above the law? (27 Sep, 2018)

Postby Perry » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:31 pm

To me, the crux lies herein:
Ministry of Social Development staff acted unlawfully when they used false names and signatures on legal documents, the High Court has ruled.

How can it be a valid legal document if it's falsified?
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Re: Why are state employees above the law? (27 Sep, 2018)

Postby phill » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:47 pm

cause we have the pen to say it is
logic ? law ? havnt you learnt yet ... we write our own
sometimes before .. often after .. but if we need one .. we write one
its really simple this power thing
drag out the ..
nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide
and the
terrorists, organised crime and kiddy porn
and we get anything we want
its great
you have no idea how far we are going to take this
( ,,,,,,,, ....... A E I O U use em sparingly theres probably not enough )
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Re: Why are state employees above the law? (27 Sep, 2018)

Postby Perry » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:55 pm

Thinking of a few past reports . . .

When a snivel servant wrongs the gummint and the gummint loses dosh thereby, the book gets thrown at said employee.

But when they wrong one of the common people, it's just a sigh . . .

Shit! You got caught. How sad. Moving on . . .
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