Many roads, no fuel? (3 Feb, 2020)

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Many roads, no fuel? (3 Feb, 2020)

Postby aardvark_admin » Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:19 am

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What do you think our roads and personal transport fleet will look like in 10 years' time?

Will it consist of a massive network of underutilised roads due to a lack of electricity?

Or will the government be forced to build a raft of new thermal stations fired by coal, gas or oil in order to meet the demands of a rapidly growing EV fleet?

Maybe NZ will find itself having to import the world's cast-off ICE vehicles because the scarcity and unreliability of its hydro generation capability as made EVs impractical for the masses?

You tell me.
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Re: Many roads, no fuel? (3 Feb, 2020)

Postby cjet » Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:21 am

Geothermal to hydrogen
1. With New Zealand bubbling up hot steam from the ground it can be converted to hydrogen fuel

A hydro dam silts up over 200 years and as we have seen in south waikato lake moananui it does not get dredged out

2. Wave energy turning swells in it electricity along the coast

3. Tidal power is another option with big slow turning high torque propellers under the sea

4. Solar cities can also be a domestic electric car option

5. If nuclear is not an option nor coal or oil or gas then push bikes work

6. Sail boats around the coast is a cheap large cargo way to move goods around New Zealand

7. Rail electrified is a saviour of roads with 10% of traffic doing 90% of the damage

The first question New Zealand population need ask is about our what is the best political structure for this country.

We neeed more community boards in our wards at local government level

Take tokoroa and Putaruru as examples of out Upston for playing politics with representation.

Farmers and land holders live their cows. A methane factory on the land.

8. Capture methane from cows and use it to CO2 for power.

Bottom line is thorium coins with gold and silver. We need look at Australian banks and how all money flows to USA

Ask why 57% of all rural land and trees was purchased by university alumni of Harvard university off New Z richest man Grame Hart. And until the politics of this are identified and solved then and only then can we address the stupification of the voting public of New Zealand at the 2020 October elections. The deputy Primeminister winston Peters noted they brain power around the 8 ball tables of New Zealand is unused. So that is where we solve our problems first. Meritocracy of the brains and skills and unity aroubd 8 ball tables. Get your pool cues chalked. Watch this space.
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Re: Many roads, no fuel? (3 Feb, 2020)

Postby Necrotic Kingdom » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:01 am

aardvark_admin wrote:Will it consist of a massive network of underutilised roads due to a lack of electricity?
Yep, but it took the wind out of the opposition's sails in an election year, and I suspect that is as far into the future as any of our elected representatives look.
aardvark_admin wrote:Or will the government be forced to build a raft of new thermal stations fired by coal, gas or oil in order to meet the demands of a rapidly growing EV fleet?
It seems to neutralise Rio Tinto's threats to close the smelter if the Government doesn't give in to their blackmail and increase their subsidies. Perhaps they have their fingers crossed that some as yet unknown tech will come to their rescue. In that they are not alone, as it seems that having fingers crossed that some as yet unknown tech will come to their rescue is the standard response of governments around the world to the looming Climate Catastrophe.[/quote]
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Re: Many roads, no fuel? (3 Feb, 2020)

Postby Kiwiiano » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:20 am

First question: Is there any evidence that there would be a shortage of electricity if/when we shift to EVs? We’ve barely explored solar, wind is well established but has a lot more possible capacity, tidal for Cook Strait is being quietly tested. EV’s can be more efficient, performance improvements appear weekly in the existing technologies and there’s a plethora of alternatives for storing energy waiting in the wings.
Yes there will be changes to the way we do things but that is inevitable whatever happens.
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Re: Many roads, no fuel? (3 Feb, 2020)

Postby Hiro Protagonist » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:26 am

Yeah, the short-sightedness of Governments boggles the mind a bit.

Build lots or roads, but not a thought about electrifying the South Island main trunk railway.

Why is there still SFA wind power in the South Island? Doesn't it make sense to install wind power in places where fewer people live to moan about it?

If we call Rio Tinto's bluff, and installed a serious amount of solar + wind generation, our other renewables [hydro & geothermal] could be conserved for when they're really needed.

And what about the coal-mining nuts in the Aussie govt? Australia has got the capability to install massive amounts of solar - but no, got to dig coal instead.
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Re: Many roads, no fuel? (3 Feb, 2020)

Postby Muz » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:41 am

Hiro Protagonist wrote:...... not a thought about electrifying the South Island main trunk railway.......


That would be quite a large spend for the five trains that come through (between Christchurch and Blenheim) each 24hr period. To make it worth while you'd have to force long haul freight onto trains and that isn't going to happen.
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Re: Many roads, no fuel? (3 Feb, 2020)

Postby phill » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:57 am

the last great hope for the masses is thorium

for nz we dont have to place so much emphasis on it .. but it will still be an inevitability
hopefully by 2030 thorium reactors will be online and in large scale production ( i cannot see to many working by then but once the designs are proven .. the demand will skyrocket x skyrocket )

who knows we may even have a decent rechargeable battery by then as well
( ,,,,,,,, ....... A E I O U use em sparingly theres probably not enough )

i might live and eat in a sewer .. but hey look how many of these shiny things i have got
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Sad But Ttrue

Postby Perry » Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:34 pm

Bruce wrote:I seriously can not believe that neither the government nor its advisors can see the massive change that is about to sweep through the whole personal transport sector.
Necrotic Kingdom wrote:Yep, but it took the wind out of the opposition's sails in an election year, and I suspect that is as far into the future as any of our elected representatives look.

Between the two of you, I suspect you have it nailed.
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Re: Many roads, no fuel? (3 Feb, 2020)

Postby cjet » Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:02 pm

We could use the 680 MWatt of bluff aluminium smelter for just EV
And while we wait for numbers to build put that energy into hydrogen as a car fuel

But today we have RNA virus blocking planes entering other nations including our own

Let’s see if we run out of electrical components from China

The knock on affect will be cars that a drawn by horses.
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Re: Many roads, no fuel? (3 Feb, 2020)

Postby cjet » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:11 am

Humans have a week to find water or death
Humans have a month to find food or death

Petrol cars are only as good as the liquid in fuel tanks
EV cars are only as mobile as the next charging station

Horses are good for transport and grass the fuel
Walking for humans is also food dependant

Can we fly our EV RC planes with batteries made in New Zealand

So our modle hobby is only as good as the components within

South waikato district governance body has been asked to diversify from trees and cows

Today truck drivers are not being hired because of no market for logs.
Mayor Jenny Shattock is now faced with a district crisis
Deputy mayor Bill Machen is faced with rates going up while having no community board in tokoroa to give any alternate path to the MP Upston agenda of nine years of Key Govt policies.

What are they you ask?
1. Frustrate official information requests by corrupting the ombudsman office
2. Eliminate community boards at local government ward level
3. Push council into debt and trade that debt on the share market

Out Upston

Our lives are about rate rises and rent increases
With no social cohesion

Young people are being made to face separation and isolation

Instead of education and building towards home ownership and EV car transport

How many young drivers are criminalised by graduates licensing

Or ACC bike levy that makes two wheel transport prohibiting

It is a bridge too far

Or will crusher Collins be the arse about face of justice again

Election October 2020 in New Zealand will be shaped by Waitangi Day

If I could travel for 10% fuel costs would the nation be a different place?
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