Australia saves the planet (18 May, 2021)

Have your say on today's Aardvark Daily column

Australia saves the planet (18 May, 2021)

Postby aardvark_admin » Tue May 18, 2021 8:30 am

This column is archived at: https://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2021/0518.shtml

Hooray for the Aussies... their cool new "breakthrough" battery technology looks set to save the world!

Or is it?

What do you think the chances are that this tech will eclipse existing battery technologies and if it does, what would this do to the world as we know it today?
aardvark_admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 5183
Joined: Wed May 07, 2014 2:10 pm

Re: Australia saves the planet (18 May, 2021)

Postby GSVNoFixedAbode » Tue May 18, 2021 9:13 am

If it pans out ok, WOW! Meanwhile Elon Musk will be a tad annoyed as they're in the process of converting their battery plants to a new, larger format Lithium battery.
GSVNoFixedAbode
 
Posts: 477
Joined: Thu May 08, 2014 8:53 am

Re: Australia saves the planet (18 May, 2021)

Postby Kiwiiano » Tue May 18, 2021 9:44 am

I saw mention recently that Li-Fe batteries are off the lab bench and being used in some Chinese EVs, not as good a range as Li-Ion but quick to charge and much cheaper.
Note too that Li is not uncommon, that the technology for extracting it from original sources and from recycled batteries is improving steadily.

I guess we just have to wait patiently for the Aussies to get up to speed. The pity is that all this effort and expense wasn't around 40 years ago when the first warnings about fossil carbon screwing the planet were hoisted.
~ Kiwiiano
“I'm not a total idiot. Parts of me are missing!”
Kiwiiano
 
Posts: 594
Joined: Wed May 07, 2014 5:36 pm

Re: Australia saves the planet (18 May, 2021)

Postby aardvark_admin » Tue May 18, 2021 9:53 am

Kiwiiano wrote:I saw mention recently that Li-Fe batteries are off the lab bench and being used in some Chinese EVs, not as good a range as Li-Ion but quick to charge and much cheaper

Lithium-iron-phosphate (LiFePO4) batteries were amongst the first lithium-ion types developed and were brought to fame by the A123 company over a decade ago. They offer a much safer option than Li-Ions with similarly high current capabilities but a lower energy density. I assume these are not the Li-Fe batteries you are talking about?
aardvark_admin
Site Admin
 
Posts: 5183
Joined: Wed May 07, 2014 2:10 pm

Re: Australia saves the planet (18 May, 2021)

Postby namartinnz » Tue May 18, 2021 10:08 am

Easy to say in lab conditions. Now let's see it commercially manufactured...Game changer if it can be done for sure?
Last edited by namartinnz on Tue May 18, 2021 10:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
namartinnz
 
Posts: 92
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:43 pm

Re: Australia saves the planet (18 May, 2021)

Postby Kiwiiano » Tue May 18, 2021 10:22 am

aardvark_admin wrote:Lithium-iron-phosphate (LiFePO4) batteries were amongst the first lithium-ion types developed and were brought to fame by the A123 company over a decade ago. They offer a much safer option than Li-Ions with similarly high current capabilities but a lower energy density. I assume these are not the Li-Fe batteries you are talking about?

They probably are, but the cars they are going into are small city delivery/commuting types, that can cope with short ranges regular recharging, not the sort of thing you would want to nip down to Wellington and back to Tok in.
~ Kiwiiano
“I'm not a total idiot. Parts of me are missing!”
Kiwiiano
 
Posts: 594
Joined: Wed May 07, 2014 5:36 pm

Re: Australia saves the planet (18 May, 2021)

Postby joeseph » Tue May 18, 2021 11:19 am

If it does take off, might someone need Aluminium processing capability, like 'ferinstance the one about to be closed in the South Island? or is that a silly idea.
joeseph
 
Posts: 191
Joined: Fri May 09, 2014 2:11 pm

Re: Australia saves the planet (18 May, 2021)

Postby phill » Tue May 18, 2021 11:33 am

high purity AL would have to be at a premium
( ,,,,,,,, ....... A E I O U use em sparingly theres probably not enough )

i might live and eat in a sewer .. but hey look how many of these shiny things i have got
User avatar
phill
 
Posts: 2633
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:31 pm

Re: Australia saves the planet (18 May, 2021)

Postby dingram17 » Tue May 18, 2021 3:15 pm

phill wrote:high purity AL would have to be at a premium


Like the sort of Al that is produced by Tiwai Point smelter? They bitch and whinge about world Al prices, while creating ultra-high purity for use in hard drives and aircraft.
User avatar
dingram17
 
Posts: 42
Joined: Mon May 09, 2016 9:47 am

Re: Australia saves the planet (18 May, 2021)

Postby Kiwiiano » Wed May 19, 2021 9:04 am

Not looking good. Article in Clean Technica points out the embarrassing holes in the reporting:
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/05/17/au ... ing-speed/
I’m not planning on holding my breath, much as I would like to believe in the claims.
~ Kiwiiano
“I'm not a total idiot. Parts of me are missing!”
Kiwiiano
 
Posts: 594
Joined: Wed May 07, 2014 5:36 pm


Return to Today's column

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests